1 00:01:33,219 --> 00:00:21,840 [Music] 2 00:01:39,020 --> 00:01:35,359 all right we have a guest on tonight 3 00:01:45,499 --> 00:01:39,030 ladies and gentlemen we do yeah let's 4 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:45,509 call him how excited for this tip he 5 00:01:52,219 --> 00:01:49,410 answers hey Tam can you hear me I can 6 00:01:54,650 --> 00:01:52,229 hear you can you hear me yeah buddy 7 00:01:56,770 --> 00:01:54,660 I'm gonna enroll boy I'm gonna introduce 8 00:02:02,480 --> 00:01:56,780 you and then put you on the air okay 9 00:02:05,330 --> 00:02:02,490 okay ladies and gentlemen Timothy green 10 00:02:09,350 --> 00:02:05,340 Beckley has been described as the hunter 11 00:02:11,690 --> 00:02:09,360 s Thompson of UFO ology okay UF ology is 12 00:02:14,479 --> 00:02:11,700 is it you have it's you ethology right 13 00:02:17,420 --> 00:02:14,489 Tim who followed you you you follow Chi 14 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:17,430 ufology but now some people say you fool 15 00:02:22,580 --> 00:02:21,930 achieve but we'll talk about that as we 16 00:02:25,010 --> 00:02:22,590 go along 17 00:02:26,150 --> 00:02:25,020 did you want to see my ugly face by the 18 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:26,160 way are we going 19 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:27,690 you're good you know I would love okay 20 00:02:32,870 --> 00:02:30,330 yeah let's do it because I'll there's 21 00:02:38,890 --> 00:02:32,880 anybody out there watching this yeah 22 00:02:43,670 --> 00:02:41,240 you know I think I think this is the 23 00:02:45,740 --> 00:02:43,680 first for me actually doing a look at 24 00:02:48,170 --> 00:02:45,750 this the gang is all here you were 25 00:02:51,170 --> 00:02:48,180 really great Tim am I gonna screw your 26 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:51,180 minds up tonight well I mean how do I 27 00:02:56,270 --> 00:02:54,450 describe Timothy green Beckley he's one 28 00:02:59,090 --> 00:02:56,280 of my favorite people in the field of 29 00:03:00,290 --> 00:02:59,100 ufology he's a he's a longtime guest on 30 00:03:02,570 --> 00:03:00,300 coast to coast fm 31 00:03:04,700 --> 00:03:02,580 he was on our last time he's on our show 32 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:04,710 was FCC free radio days it was it was a 33 00:03:09,260 --> 00:03:06,690 long time it was a long I'm sorry I mean 34 00:03:12,020 --> 00:03:09,270 coast to coast am probably the show that 35 00:03:14,750 --> 00:03:12,030 you know shaped my whole life he's 36 00:03:17,810 --> 00:03:14,760 written a ton of books he's made movies 37 00:03:21,620 --> 00:03:17,820 he's lived in a haunted house he's seen 38 00:03:23,090 --> 00:03:21,630 UFOs he had out-of-body experiences some 39 00:03:25,430 --> 00:03:23,100 of his famous books are the curse of the 40 00:03:27,950 --> 00:03:25,440 men in black Nazi UFO Time Traveller's 41 00:03:29,780 --> 00:03:27,960 Amityville and beyond he has a new book 42 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:29,790 that I'm so excited to talk to him about 43 00:03:33,949 --> 00:03:32,250 it's called I know what it's called it's 44 00:03:35,540 --> 00:03:33,959 called the matrix control system of 45 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:35,550 philip k dick and the paranormal 46 00:03:40,820 --> 00:03:37,770 synchronicities of Timothy green Beckley 47 00:03:42,890 --> 00:03:40,830 I got a I got a copy of it right here 48 00:03:46,070 --> 00:03:42,900 man it's a beautiful looking book I love 49 00:03:48,260 --> 00:03:46,080 the cover yeah Carol Carol Rodriguez 50 00:03:51,980 --> 00:03:48,270 who's been with us for many many years 51 00:03:53,750 --> 00:03:51,990 did the did the cover and it's all about 52 00:03:55,340 --> 00:03:53,760 it was philip k dick you know who's 53 00:03:58,190 --> 00:03:55,350 responsible for the man in the high 54 00:04:01,310 --> 00:03:58,200 castle and movies that were made Total 55 00:04:04,250 --> 00:04:01,320 Recall Blade Runner Adjustment Bureau 56 00:04:06,140 --> 00:04:04,260 and he had some weird things you know 57 00:04:10,330 --> 00:04:06,150 that happened to him over the years yeah 58 00:04:13,550 --> 00:04:10,340 and he was kind of like poo pooed by the 59 00:04:17,979 --> 00:04:13,560 science fiction fandom because they just 60 00:04:25,390 --> 00:04:21,590 paranormal you know yeah they just don't 61 00:04:29,330 --> 00:04:25,400 hack it and in fact back in nineteen I 62 00:04:33,260 --> 00:04:29,340 think it was 77 he was giving a lecture 63 00:04:35,620 --> 00:04:33,270 in France and he they had a press 64 00:04:38,439 --> 00:04:35,630 conference and he made a he made a 65 00:04:41,830 --> 00:04:38,449 statement is 66 00:04:43,629 --> 00:04:41,840 a question-and-answer period and this is 67 00:04:45,309 --> 00:04:43,639 actually on YouTube you can find a clip 68 00:04:50,249 --> 00:04:45,319 it runs for about four minutes or it's 69 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:50,259 on our YouTube channel mr. UFO secret 70 00:04:58,119 --> 00:04:55,849 file okay and here's what he said he 71 00:05:00,700 --> 00:04:58,129 told the audience I claimed to remember 72 00:05:02,890 --> 00:05:00,710 a different very different present life 73 00:05:05,379 --> 00:05:02,900 I didn't know of no one who has ever 74 00:05:08,469 --> 00:05:05,389 made this claim before but I rather 75 00:05:11,290 --> 00:05:08,479 suspect that my experience is not unique 76 00:05:13,749 --> 00:05:11,300 what perhaps is unique is my willingness 77 00:05:16,570 --> 00:05:13,759 to talk about it we are living in a 78 00:05:20,110 --> 00:05:16,580 computer program reality and the only 79 00:05:22,420 --> 00:05:20,120 clue we have to it is when some variable 80 00:05:25,300 --> 00:05:22,430 has changed in some alteration in our 81 00:05:29,019 --> 00:05:25,310 reality occurs now 82 00:05:31,869 --> 00:05:29,029 so Tim so what you're actually saying is 83 00:05:34,570 --> 00:05:31,879 like in the 70s we live we live at a 84 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:34,580 computer simulation and it was he was 85 00:05:39,670 --> 00:05:36,770 talking about the glitches in the matrix 86 00:05:43,300 --> 00:05:39,680 even back then that's how you know right 87 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:43,310 but you know well how I know is through 88 00:05:48,670 --> 00:05:45,770 my synchronicities in the book which is 89 00:05:50,529 --> 00:05:48,680 runs about 400 pages I have about 40 90 00:05:52,689 --> 00:05:50,539 synchronicity said I'm not talking about 91 00:05:56,469 --> 00:05:52,699 you know thinking of somebody and they 92 00:05:58,689 --> 00:05:56,479 call on the phone you know the next day 93 00:06:01,540 --> 00:05:58,699 or looking up at the clock and it says 94 00:06:03,459 --> 00:06:01,550 four four four I don't even know what 95 00:06:06,010 --> 00:06:03,469 the significance of that is necessarily 96 00:06:08,050 --> 00:06:06,020 but everybody seems to think that 97 00:06:09,969 --> 00:06:08,060 there's some kind of magical Costa 98 00:06:13,510 --> 00:06:09,979 coasting yeah Costa Coast AM listeners 99 00:06:15,100 --> 00:06:13,520 love 11:11 they think 11 I yes but I 100 00:06:20,369 --> 00:06:15,110 mean I'm talking about things that are 101 00:06:27,339 --> 00:06:24,399 coincidence that somebody up there has 102 00:06:29,889 --> 00:06:27,349 to be like guiding us through these 103 00:06:32,139 --> 00:06:29,899 experiences these synchronicities now 104 00:06:35,409 --> 00:06:32,149 the only thing is people think that 105 00:06:38,739 --> 00:06:35,419 there is some great pattern to this or 106 00:06:40,389 --> 00:06:38,749 if you follow your synchronicities all 107 00:06:43,510 --> 00:06:40,399 your wishes and dreams will come true 108 00:06:47,949 --> 00:06:43,520 not true there's a great what we call 109 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:47,959 trickster factor in this in fact let me 110 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:49,490 just tell you a little story here we 111 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:50,330 might listen 112 00:06:56,950 --> 00:06:52,490 let's do it start start out the evening 113 00:06:59,890 --> 00:06:56,960 back about two months ago I went with my 114 00:07:01,179 --> 00:06:59,900 friend Maria Deandra who's a psychic and 115 00:07:03,790 --> 00:07:01,189 she's written off quite a number of 116 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:03,800 books so forth to Atlantic City 117 00:07:08,830 --> 00:07:06,650 now we don't gamble in fact sometimes we 118 00:07:11,529 --> 00:07:08,840 don't even use the coupon that they give 119 00:07:13,839 --> 00:07:11,539 you when you get off the the bus but we 120 00:07:15,610 --> 00:07:13,849 get out of town I mean Here I am living 121 00:07:17,770 --> 00:07:15,620 in the middle of Manhattan 122 00:07:20,170 --> 00:07:17,780 they're putting up four skyscrapers on 123 00:07:22,089 --> 00:07:20,180 the on the Block all around me it's just 124 00:07:24,159 --> 00:07:22,099 too much to handle you got to go out and 125 00:07:27,820 --> 00:07:24,169 you know look at the ocean every once in 126 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:27,830 a while so it's a cheap cheap trick yeah 127 00:07:35,020 --> 00:07:31,490 well it's a cheap trip it's a check 128 00:07:37,779 --> 00:07:35,030 you see where my mind yeah it's a cheap 129 00:07:40,719 --> 00:07:37,789 trip on a greyhound it takes about three 130 00:07:42,909 --> 00:07:40,729 hours to get there okay so what we go 131 00:07:44,769 --> 00:07:42,919 every couple of months to we went 132 00:07:48,339 --> 00:07:44,779 recently to see the Christmas tree being 133 00:07:53,290 --> 00:07:48,349 put up and so forth now as you get off 134 00:07:56,170 --> 00:07:53,300 the the New Jersey freeway you start to 135 00:07:59,439 --> 00:07:56,180 pass through the local area and to get 136 00:08:01,899 --> 00:07:59,449 to the casino and you pass through a lot 137 00:08:05,110 --> 00:08:01,909 of minor literal the hotels and Dunkin 138 00:08:06,999 --> 00:08:05,120 Donuts and in and so forth the bus 139 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:07,009 whines through town before you get to 140 00:08:12,850 --> 00:08:10,250 the your final destination the casino 141 00:08:16,029 --> 00:08:12,860 has its own a parking lot for our buses 142 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:16,039 believing or not so about a block away 143 00:08:21,909 --> 00:08:19,690 from the the hotel there is a 144 00:08:22,930 --> 00:08:21,919 bed-and-breakfast and on the roof of the 145 00:08:27,459 --> 00:08:22,940 bed-and-breakfast 146 00:08:28,839 --> 00:08:27,469 our statues made out of metal i I assume 147 00:08:32,380 --> 00:08:28,849 of the Blues Brothers 148 00:08:34,569 --> 00:08:32,390 didn't act dan Aykroyd and John Belushi 149 00:08:39,219 --> 00:08:34,579 of course the greatest band of all time 150 00:08:40,230 --> 00:08:39,229 well indeed but we don't even know why 151 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:40,240 they're there because the 152 00:08:44,350 --> 00:08:41,810 bed-and-breakfast that they're on the 153 00:08:47,949 --> 00:08:44,360 top top of has nothing to do with the 154 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:47,959 The Blues Brothers or the bar with same 155 00:08:52,090 --> 00:08:50,690 name or anything but it's a it's a nice 156 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:52,100 little bit figures on the roof you know 157 00:08:58,290 --> 00:08:55,130 they're lifelike and so I happened to 158 00:09:00,579 --> 00:08:58,300 mention to Maria as we went towards the 159 00:09:02,680 --> 00:09:00,589 casino we had another two blocks ago 160 00:09:05,770 --> 00:09:02,690 after passing these two statues 161 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:05,780 you know dan aykroyd is very much into 162 00:09:10,030 --> 00:09:07,490 the the subject of course 163 00:09:13,150 --> 00:09:10,040 oh yes yes we love yeah yeah he's been a 164 00:09:16,210 --> 00:09:13,160 supporter of the mutual UFO network he's 165 00:09:17,890 --> 00:09:16,220 had men in black experiences while he 166 00:09:20,380 --> 00:09:17,900 was talking to Britney Spears on the 167 00:09:23,500 --> 00:09:20,390 phone I don't follow the connections 168 00:09:25,750 --> 00:09:23,510 there but you know he grew up in a house 169 00:09:28,930 --> 00:09:25,760 where his parent is grandparents 170 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:28,940 actually used to have seance circles 171 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:31,130 with mediums and and things along that 172 00:09:37,690 --> 00:09:34,850 line in fact his father who is still 173 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:37,700 alive I understand and is a performer a 174 00:09:43,780 --> 00:09:40,370 comedian himself wrote a book about 175 00:09:46,300 --> 00:09:43,790 maybe 10 years ago about growing up in a 176 00:09:48,130 --> 00:09:46,310 house where seances were being held any 177 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:48,140 day I mean you could tell you know a 178 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:49,850 little something about parapsychology 179 00:09:57,730 --> 00:09:53,650 and all in a course of a quoit 180 00:09:59,890 --> 00:09:57,740 co-authored Ghostbusters the the movie 181 00:10:03,340 --> 00:09:59,900 right so we know he has a genuine 182 00:10:05,050 --> 00:10:03,350 interest plus he has crystal skull vodka 183 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:05,060 yes one of the possible what are the 184 00:10:11,620 --> 00:10:08,210 best [\h__\h] is going home it's not alien 185 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:11,630 odka na y great great stuff so he's 186 00:10:14,950 --> 00:10:12,770 really into it 187 00:10:16,420 --> 00:10:14,960 it's it's no joke it's not it's 188 00:10:19,980 --> 00:10:16,430 something that he's just but a great 189 00:10:23,860 --> 00:10:19,990 deal of it is you know a life being 190 00:10:27,700 --> 00:10:23,870 interested in okay so we pull another 191 00:10:32,260 --> 00:10:27,710 bus into the terminal at the casino and 192 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:32,270 we get out to turn in our coupons to get 193 00:10:38,830 --> 00:10:36,170 to the $25 put on our membership card so 194 00:10:42,490 --> 00:10:38,840 that we can go in and lose it in just a 195 00:10:45,220 --> 00:10:42,500 few minutes you know but anyway as we go 196 00:10:46,810 --> 00:10:45,230 up to the the cash cage this isn't this 197 00:10:49,570 --> 00:10:46,820 is before you even get into the casino 198 00:10:51,550 --> 00:10:49,580 they have about five or six cages there 199 00:10:54,579 --> 00:10:51,560 were you turn in near your coupons and 200 00:10:58,360 --> 00:10:54,589 get your toe kit and whatever what do 201 00:11:01,270 --> 00:10:58,370 they start playing on the house speaker 202 00:11:03,910 --> 00:11:01,280 music but the theme song to ghostbusters 203 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:03,920 oh my god okay well we're not talking 204 00:11:09,070 --> 00:11:07,250 like there's a disc jockey you know a DJ 205 00:11:10,780 --> 00:11:09,080 at the end of the room this is like some 206 00:11:12,940 --> 00:11:10,790 Pandora I don't even know we're in the 207 00:11:15,410 --> 00:11:12,950 elevator music you know I mean where's 208 00:11:17,930 --> 00:11:15,420 it coming from Minneapolis or or 209 00:11:19,700 --> 00:11:17,940 or San Francisco or somewhere I don't 210 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:19,710 know but I mean obviously they don't 211 00:11:25,610 --> 00:11:22,050 know what our conversation was so I said 212 00:11:28,910 --> 00:11:25,620 well here's another synchronicity Maria 213 00:11:32,060 --> 00:11:28,920 but let's look and see if there aren't 214 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:32,070 any ghostbusters slot machines okay 215 00:11:36,620 --> 00:11:33,810 already cost now and now I'm highly into 216 00:11:38,750 --> 00:11:36,630 this story all right okay so I'm 217 00:11:40,850 --> 00:11:38,760 thinking to myself well now here's their 218 00:11:43,460 --> 00:11:40,860 chance whoever they are the 219 00:11:46,340 --> 00:11:43,470 synchronicity web board you know Charles 220 00:11:48,050 --> 00:11:46,350 Portis charles fort said that we were 221 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:48,060 like a pieces of a chessboard that 222 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:50,130 somebody was manipulating us and this 223 00:11:55,370 --> 00:11:52,410 would be kind of the the synchronicities 224 00:11:56,780 --> 00:11:55,380 would kind of show that to some extent 225 00:11:59,840 --> 00:11:56,790 at least I think so 226 00:12:02,060 --> 00:11:59,850 so we go in and ask around and find out 227 00:12:05,690 --> 00:12:02,070 if there are any Ghostbusters slot 228 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:05,700 machines and one of the ladies that 229 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:07,770 works there says oh I think they're on 230 00:12:11,930 --> 00:12:10,170 the other side of the casino so we get 231 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:11,940 very excited about this this is what 232 00:12:16,460 --> 00:12:13,890 we're going to win $100,000 we got to 233 00:12:19,190 --> 00:12:16,470 come away with some kind of booty here 234 00:12:20,420 --> 00:12:19,200 okay so we could fight we find the area 235 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:20,430 where the Ghostbusters 236 00:12:24,740 --> 00:12:23,010 the slot machines are supposed to be and 237 00:12:25,730 --> 00:12:24,750 there's a big impression in the rug 238 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:25,740 they're gone 239 00:12:30,290 --> 00:12:28,170 so we asked somebody what happened to 240 00:12:33,110 --> 00:12:30,300 the Ghostbusters slot machines oh they 241 00:12:35,660 --> 00:12:33,120 took them away two months ago okay so 242 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:35,670 here's our big opportunity blown out the 243 00:12:39,830 --> 00:12:37,770 window but doing a little bit further 244 00:12:42,860 --> 00:12:39,840 research we found that that they were 245 00:12:45,230 --> 00:12:42,870 only penny slot machines anyway so it's 246 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:45,240 even if we won we would have come home 247 00:12:51,560 --> 00:12:47,490 with a hundred and fifty nine dollars in 248 00:12:54,470 --> 00:12:51,570 a a red scooter or something like that 249 00:12:58,190 --> 00:12:54,480 you know yeah so there is this trickster 250 00:13:00,980 --> 00:12:58,200 element to this it's kind of like you 251 00:13:03,350 --> 00:13:00,990 know the kids come home at 4 o'clock and 252 00:13:06,110 --> 00:13:03,360 get a hold of the joystick and and 253 00:13:09,020 --> 00:13:06,120 decide to to have a little fun with us 254 00:13:12,740 --> 00:13:09,030 humans down here yeah and and philip k 255 00:13:14,450 --> 00:13:12,750 dick talked about this before stuff like 256 00:13:16,910 --> 00:13:14,460 the matrix he was he was hinting at it 257 00:13:19,940 --> 00:13:16,920 and felt like matrix Total Recall the 258 00:13:22,490 --> 00:13:19,950 matrix was based on some of his you know 259 00:13:24,410 --> 00:13:22,500 theories and ideology although he didn't 260 00:13:27,110 --> 00:13:24,420 get credit for it but here's something I 261 00:13:28,660 --> 00:13:27,120 found that we have on our show exploring 262 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:28,670 the bizarre 263 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:32,090 dick who is his fifth wife it turns out 264 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:33,890 that she does some writing in the new 265 00:13:38,680 --> 00:13:36,770 book - right yeah yeah well she she's an 266 00:13:40,990 --> 00:13:38,690 author herself in a very good one anyway 267 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:41,000 it turns out that philip k dick never 268 00:13:46,660 --> 00:13:44,570 owned a computer and only most of his 269 00:13:49,210 --> 00:13:46,670 life most of his career used a manual 270 00:13:51,940 --> 00:13:49,220 typewriter so i'm not even sure how he 271 00:13:54,310 --> 00:13:51,950 knew we were in the in a stuck in a 272 00:13:56,500 --> 00:13:54,320 computer simulation except he did have 273 00:13:58,870 --> 00:13:56,510 some strange visitations which are 274 00:14:01,180 --> 00:13:58,880 described in a you know in the in the 275 00:14:02,890 --> 00:14:01,190 book that i did i I collate it all the 276 00:14:04,210 --> 00:14:02,900 material yeah and has some of our 277 00:14:05,590 --> 00:14:04,220 friends that have been on our show like 278 00:14:09,220 --> 00:14:05,600 Tim Schwartz and Dianne Testament also 279 00:14:11,680 --> 00:14:09,230 right yes so Tim tell me in your opinion 280 00:14:13,420 --> 00:14:11,690 all right you are under you argue that 281 00:14:15,790 --> 00:14:13,430 yes we are living in a computer 282 00:14:18,010 --> 00:14:15,800 simulation do you think would you rather 283 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:18,020 be awake and awakened out of it are you 284 00:14:21,610 --> 00:14:19,850 perfectly happy in our simulation oh you 285 00:14:23,350 --> 00:14:21,620 know something I wonder what's on the 286 00:14:25,810 --> 00:14:23,360 other side that's the question maybe 287 00:14:27,790 --> 00:14:25,820 maybe yeah maybe it's maybe it's far 288 00:14:30,060 --> 00:14:27,800 worse or or maybe it's just one 289 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:30,070 simulation after another simulation now 290 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:32,570 one thing about philip k dick he thought 291 00:14:39,630 --> 00:14:36,170 that history was not a snag stagnant 292 00:14:41,890 --> 00:14:39,640 that there are events going on same 293 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:41,900 simultaneously in in other dimensions 294 00:14:47,350 --> 00:14:45,170 and in other realms and we may be living 295 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:47,360 in in all of them at the at the same 296 00:14:57,420 --> 00:14:52,370 time now he had a memory of living in 297 00:15:01,810 --> 00:14:57,430 the time of christ when he was a Roman 298 00:15:04,210 --> 00:15:01,820 soldier and he had entire recall about 299 00:15:10,330 --> 00:15:04,220 that period as if he had actually lived 300 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:10,340 there and he was even able to Lee to use 301 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:12,410 the the language of that period which 302 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:14,690 isn't even Latin or whatever it's used 303 00:15:17,260 --> 00:15:15,770 today yeah 304 00:15:19,450 --> 00:15:17,270 and there is a word for that which I 305 00:15:23,350 --> 00:15:19,460 can't remember offhand yeah were you and 306 00:15:24,910 --> 00:15:23,360 Alan Toby you know it or not but the 307 00:15:35,150 --> 00:15:24,920 name of the language or the name of back 308 00:15:39,710 --> 00:15:37,579 it's totally freaky it's more than I can 309 00:15:42,019 --> 00:15:39,720 count on my 12 feet I made my 10 fingers 310 00:15:43,850 --> 00:15:42,029 my and and you reek you recall a number 311 00:15:48,620 --> 00:15:43,860 of these synchronicities in the new book 312 00:15:50,420 --> 00:15:48,630 right like you record I have so many of 313 00:15:54,380 --> 00:15:50,430 them now yeah you just I mean I think I 314 00:15:56,660 --> 00:15:54,390 think everyone Gloria city city of San 315 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:56,670 Francisco okay 316 00:16:01,519 --> 00:15:58,050 it was the first time I had ever been 317 00:16:07,630 --> 00:16:01,529 there this was back I think in the the 318 00:16:12,220 --> 00:16:07,640 mid maybe 1974 1975 I had been invited 319 00:16:15,190 --> 00:16:12,230 to give a lecture for the national UFO 320 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:15,200 Congress that the Dale Reddick was 321 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:17,850 organizing that year they had a nice 322 00:16:24,170 --> 00:16:20,610 sized crowd and I spoke on if I remember 323 00:16:27,290 --> 00:16:24,180 correctly a Saturday evening now the 324 00:16:30,290 --> 00:16:27,300 next day I was due to fly back to New 325 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:30,300 York but had some time to kill so we 326 00:16:36,530 --> 00:16:32,970 decided to have brunch together it was 327 00:16:40,070 --> 00:16:36,540 me and Dale his wife and maybe three or 328 00:16:43,940 --> 00:16:40,080 four other members of the UFO group that 329 00:16:45,890 --> 00:16:43,950 had organized this this event so we 330 00:16:48,410 --> 00:16:45,900 picked a place at random to have brunch 331 00:16:52,250 --> 00:16:48,420 I like my Bloody Mary's on Sunday thank 332 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:52,260 you very much and we just picked the 333 00:16:55,010 --> 00:16:53,850 place at random I had certainly had 334 00:16:56,930 --> 00:16:55,020 never been there before because I've 335 00:16:58,490 --> 00:16:56,940 never been in San Francisco and they 336 00:17:02,720 --> 00:16:58,500 hadn't been in this particular place 337 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:02,730 either so we sat down we started to chat 338 00:17:07,939 --> 00:17:06,089 just having a little conversation and I 339 00:17:09,470 --> 00:17:07,949 happen to mention I said you know too 340 00:17:12,380 --> 00:17:09,480 bad that I hadn't put a little bit more 341 00:17:14,929 --> 00:17:12,390 thinking into this I should have made 342 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:14,939 some telephone calls to get in touch 343 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:17,010 with people that I know who used to live 344 00:17:21,500 --> 00:17:19,170 in New York and who now live out in San 345 00:17:24,530 --> 00:17:21,510 Francisco and I happen to mention a 346 00:17:28,189 --> 00:17:24,540 gentleman by the name of Alan Vaughn I 347 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:28,199 was running back in the early 1970s the 348 00:17:33,700 --> 00:17:30,330 New York school of occult Arts and 349 00:17:36,380 --> 00:17:33,710 Sciences which was one of the first 350 00:17:39,770 --> 00:17:36,390 metaphysical or occult centers in the 351 00:17:42,190 --> 00:17:39,780 United States many copycats years where 352 00:17:44,259 --> 00:17:42,200 was that at in New York yeah 353 00:17:47,879 --> 00:17:44,269 14th Street just in the outskirts of 354 00:17:51,870 --> 00:17:47,889 Greenwich Village and and we had Oh 355 00:17:54,070 --> 00:17:51,880 classes and astral projection hypnosis 356 00:17:57,190 --> 00:17:54,080 ufology how to catch Bigfoot 357 00:17:58,810 --> 00:17:57,200 you know things although in Medhat clan 358 00:18:00,669 --> 00:17:58,820 you might have a little bit of a problem 359 00:18:02,350 --> 00:18:00,679 catching up with Bigfoot but not 360 00:18:04,570 --> 00:18:02,360 necessarily because we did have some 361 00:18:08,500 --> 00:18:04,580 sightings on Staten Island at the at the 362 00:18:11,019 --> 00:18:08,510 time anyway Alan Vaughan was a psychic 363 00:18:14,379 --> 00:18:11,029 again and he was a psychic and a prophet 364 00:18:15,519 --> 00:18:14,389 and a very good one and he had a great 365 00:18:17,460 --> 00:18:15,529 personality 366 00:18:20,350 --> 00:18:17,470 after his workshops and lectures 367 00:18:22,330 --> 00:18:20,360 sometimes we'd sneak away for a beer and 368 00:18:24,700 --> 00:18:22,340 you know and chat for a few hours 369 00:18:27,700 --> 00:18:24,710 I liked him as a friend in addition to 370 00:18:30,340 --> 00:18:27,710 him you know teaching students in our 371 00:18:36,580 --> 00:18:30,350 group yeah so he had moved to San 372 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:36,590 Francisco to become the editor of a a 373 00:18:44,649 --> 00:18:41,450 glossy magazine on parapsychology called 374 00:18:46,659 --> 00:18:44,659 psychic in those days there were dozens 375 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:46,669 of magazines on every subject that you 376 00:18:52,149 --> 00:18:49,130 can imagine and and this one was a 377 00:18:55,419 --> 00:18:52,159 little bit above like fate magazine as 378 00:18:57,460 --> 00:18:55,429 far as uh it's it's aimed at its 379 00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:57,470 audience you know Satan being at a 380 00:19:02,590 --> 00:18:59,600 magazine there's a legit magazine no 381 00:19:07,169 --> 00:19:02,600 glossy that's like it was a newsstand 382 00:19:09,310 --> 00:19:07,179 and 20,000 30,000 as a circulation 383 00:19:11,740 --> 00:19:09,320 exclusive interviews with Peter her 384 00:19:13,659 --> 00:19:11,750 coasts and Jim Dickson and so forth yeah 385 00:19:15,159 --> 00:19:13,669 and so I happen to mention to this 386 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:15,169 little group while we were having brunch 387 00:19:19,149 --> 00:19:17,210 that Jesus I should have called 388 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:19,159 Ellen Vaughn and invited him to the 389 00:19:25,659 --> 00:19:23,330 lecture well two minutes later the door 390 00:19:28,419 --> 00:19:25,669 to the restaurant opens and this 391 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:28,429 individual comes in walking a dog on his 392 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:31,490 leash who looks like Alan Vaughn and I 393 00:19:34,629 --> 00:19:32,690 said to myself well how could this 394 00:19:36,039 --> 00:19:34,639 possibly be Alan one he doesn't know 395 00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:36,049 we're here because we don't know where 396 00:19:40,779 --> 00:19:38,720 we are and and the gentleman comes over 397 00:19:42,850 --> 00:19:40,789 and looks at us if I look at him and I 398 00:19:45,070 --> 00:19:42,860 said are you Alan Wong and he says yes I 399 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:45,080 am well now San Francisco what's your 400 00:19:51,009 --> 00:19:46,610 population they're about a million yeah 401 00:19:53,169 --> 00:19:51,019 about a million what okay what are the 402 00:19:55,420 --> 00:19:53,179 chances of someone coming through the 403 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:55,430 door that you haven't seen in five 404 00:19:59,650 --> 00:19:57,650 years that has that he's never been in 405 00:20:02,500 --> 00:19:59,660 the restaurant before I'd never been 406 00:20:05,410 --> 00:20:02,510 there nobody's ever been there yeah this 407 00:20:08,020 --> 00:20:05,420 is a good because he's doing restaurants 408 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:08,030 no I know I'm when I'm at it here's the 409 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:08,570 punchline 410 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:13,250 Alan what are you working on these days 411 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:15,890 he says well I happened to be working on 412 00:20:20,830 --> 00:20:18,650 a book on synchronicity and coincidence 413 00:20:23,140 --> 00:20:20,840 and that was published and that was 414 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:23,150 published like in 1978 or something 415 00:20:27,580 --> 00:20:25,850 four-fifty says you can still you know 416 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:27,590 buy it on Amazon for two bucks or 417 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:29,330 something like that and I believe that 418 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:31,970 this is case like 29 in the in the book 419 00:20:38,500 --> 00:20:34,970 how is that possible but that's only one 420 00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:38,510 of 30 or 40 synchronicities that I have 421 00:20:46,450 --> 00:20:42,880 had that proved that there is some 422 00:20:48,820 --> 00:20:46,460 controlling factor or I won't say 423 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:48,830 somebody in in charge because I don't 424 00:20:53,890 --> 00:20:50,930 know if they necessarily rule our life's 425 00:20:56,290 --> 00:20:53,900 a destiny but every once in a while they 426 00:20:59,020 --> 00:20:56,300 poke their finger say well listen I I 427 00:21:01,480 --> 00:20:59,030 think that sometimes I've noticed it 428 00:21:02,890 --> 00:21:01,490 happened more like when you're traveling 429 00:21:04,900 --> 00:21:02,900 or when you're outside of where you're 430 00:21:07,390 --> 00:21:04,910 from you know like sometimes I can 431 00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:07,400 manifest a friend out when I'm in it 432 00:21:12,490 --> 00:21:08,720 when I'm in a different country or 433 00:21:14,380 --> 00:21:12,500 different yeah you know and it's so 434 00:21:15,910 --> 00:21:14,390 maybe like maybe when you leave the the 435 00:21:17,890 --> 00:21:15,920 comfort zone of where you're programmed 436 00:21:20,020 --> 00:21:17,900 or something glitches can occur or 437 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:20,030 something like that well you know you 438 00:21:24,610 --> 00:21:21,770 might you might have a point there there 439 00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:24,620 was a another incident and this one 440 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:26,240 actually let me see I can prove this 441 00:21:32,140 --> 00:21:29,810 here okay well I'll get into the story 442 00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:32,150 there was an organization that existed 443 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:34,880 in Tucson Arizona for many many years 444 00:21:39,580 --> 00:21:36,970 the area phenomenal research 445 00:21:45,970 --> 00:21:39,590 organization it's been defunct now for 446 00:21:48,970 --> 00:21:45,980 about Oh 20 25 years it was run by a 447 00:21:51,850 --> 00:21:48,980 husband and wife team choral and Jim 448 00:21:54,850 --> 00:21:51,860 Lorenzen now the two big UFO groups at 449 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:54,860 that time were a major key host national 450 00:21:58,530 --> 00:21:56,450 investigations committee on aerial 451 00:22:01,410 --> 00:21:58,540 phenomena which was pushing for 452 00:22:05,530 --> 00:22:01,420 congressional hearing and disclosure 453 00:22:08,830 --> 00:22:05,540 while appro was more interested in in 454 00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:08,840 humanoid sightings and creatures 455 00:22:14,170 --> 00:22:11,360 Close Encounters and landings and so 456 00:22:16,990 --> 00:22:14,180 forth well I was kind of curious about 457 00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:17,000 the group I was never a member 458 00:22:22,300 --> 00:22:18,320 yeah but I had read a couple of 459 00:22:25,620 --> 00:22:22,310 paperbacks that they had written driven 460 00:22:29,140 --> 00:22:25,630 car Lorenza and I was invited out to 461 00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:29,150 Tucson to give a a private little talk 462 00:22:33,550 --> 00:22:31,280 to a group 463 00:22:35,020 --> 00:22:33,560 I don't even world UFO group or 464 00:22:37,630 --> 00:22:35,030 something like that there's like 20 465 00:22:42,130 --> 00:22:37,640 members there in Tucson but it's 466 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:42,140 organized by Allen Ben's now Allen Ben's 467 00:22:48,430 --> 00:22:45,650 happened to be the librarian for the 468 00:22:51,130 --> 00:22:48,440 aerial phenomena research organization 469 00:22:54,340 --> 00:22:51,140 so I wanted to kind of pick his a brain 470 00:22:57,910 --> 00:22:54,350 you know and see if he had some inside 471 00:22:59,740 --> 00:22:57,920 information now it turns out that when I 472 00:23:01,810 --> 00:22:59,750 think was Columbia Pictures their 473 00:23:06,130 --> 00:23:01,820 paramount was just starting to put 474 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:06,140 together and collect Oh information to 475 00:23:10,750 --> 00:23:07,490 do Close Encounters of the Third Kind 476 00:23:13,930 --> 00:23:10,760 they were in touch with this group a pro 477 00:23:17,020 --> 00:23:13,940 and Jim and Carl turned over the 478 00:23:18,460 --> 00:23:17,030 correspondence to to Alan Ben's to 479 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:18,470 handle and he talked to them on the 480 00:23:23,500 --> 00:23:20,690 telephone sent him some clippings and 481 00:23:26,110 --> 00:23:23,510 some things that got us started this was 482 00:23:28,330 --> 00:23:26,120 before dr. Hynek became involved in the 483 00:23:30,790 --> 00:23:28,340 in the project okay so I got some 484 00:23:33,540 --> 00:23:30,800 information on that and I spoke to Alan 485 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:33,550 Benz and he's been on her show and 486 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:36,410 recorded the conversation for about 487 00:23:42,490 --> 00:23:39,770 three or four hours and then my friend 488 00:23:46,140 --> 00:23:42,500 Charlene and I decided we wanted to take 489 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:46,150 a couple of days and go out to Sedona so 490 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:51,170 we get into her vehicle and drive the I 491 00:23:56,350 --> 00:23:53,650 think it takes about four or five hours 492 00:23:59,470 --> 00:23:56,360 very scenic route and if you've ever 493 00:24:01,360 --> 00:23:59,480 been to Sedona it's like the meditation 494 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:01,370 capital of the world with Sedona writer 495 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:03,650 yeah man there's a lot of vortexes down 496 00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:06,650 there for texture well believe me there 497 00:24:12,130 --> 00:24:09,440 are there are vortexes down there no no 498 00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,140 no doubt a no doubt about that 499 00:24:15,900 --> 00:24:14,240 that people go down and meditate there 500 00:24:17,140 --> 00:24:15,910 have been all kinds of UFO sightings 501 00:24:19,420 --> 00:24:17,150 accreta 502 00:24:22,060 --> 00:24:19,430 weird cryptid creature seen walking 503 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:22,070 across the main street of town 504 00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:23,930 you got all your crystal shops and your 505 00:24:29,650 --> 00:24:26,480 occult bookstores and and things along 506 00:24:31,780 --> 00:24:29,660 that line and it's a shirley maclaine 507 00:24:34,330 --> 00:24:31,790 owns a place there got a lot of art 508 00:24:37,780 --> 00:24:34,340 galleries of restaurants it's kind of 509 00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:37,790 the Woodstock of the the Southwest I 510 00:24:43,420 --> 00:24:40,640 would I would say okay anyway we stopped 511 00:24:45,550 --> 00:24:43,430 at a place on the way into town called 512 00:24:47,860 --> 00:24:45,560 the coffee pot this is where all the 513 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:47,870 locals go to hang out you got a hundred 514 00:24:58,350 --> 00:24:49,610 and three kinds of omelets that you can 515 00:25:00,940 --> 00:24:58,360 order and coffee to you urinate do that 516 00:25:02,620 --> 00:25:00,950 great great coffee a great place to hang 517 00:25:04,540 --> 00:25:02,630 out they got a little yard you know with 518 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:04,550 a little waterfall in the great view of 519 00:25:09,790 --> 00:25:07,130 the Red Rocks and everything okay so we 520 00:25:13,420 --> 00:25:09,800 have work we have our brunch Bloody Mary 521 00:25:16,930 --> 00:25:13,430 of course and we go out to get into back 522 00:25:18,430 --> 00:25:16,940 into the car here we go back we go out 523 00:25:20,860 --> 00:25:18,440 into the parking lot to get back into 524 00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:20,870 the car and we noticed that the the 525 00:25:25,660 --> 00:25:23,120 vehicle next to the car that we were 526 00:25:28,270 --> 00:25:25,670 driving was sticking out of the parking 527 00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:28,280 space just a little bit too much so 528 00:25:33,550 --> 00:25:31,520 anyway we notice that the what was on 529 00:25:36,220 --> 00:25:33,560 the back of the license plate the 530 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:36,230 license plate says APRA here's a 531 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:40,250 photograph of it a are oh yes to prove 532 00:25:49,090 --> 00:25:43,010 it now the organization has not been in 533 00:25:51,610 --> 00:25:49,100 existence for like I say 25 years so and 534 00:25:53,710 --> 00:25:51,620 even even if somebody had been a member 535 00:25:55,390 --> 00:25:53,720 let's say nobody knew that we were going 536 00:25:57,670 --> 00:25:55,400 there nobody knew that we were going to 537 00:26:00,970 --> 00:25:57,680 be parking in that particular parking 538 00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:00,980 space I mean it's just you know I mean 539 00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:02,240 how does that happen 540 00:26:07,660 --> 00:26:04,910 that's big that's beyond a coincidence 541 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:07,670 you can't make this stuff up here's the 542 00:26:14,190 --> 00:26:10,970 photographic proof I'm not a BS in 543 00:26:17,230 --> 00:26:14,200 anybody it how do I think it screenshot 544 00:26:19,090 --> 00:26:17,240 hold on yes I'm trying to take a 545 00:26:22,770 --> 00:26:19,100 screenshot here so I could find me I 546 00:26:27,730 --> 00:26:22,780 need the oh I got it okay hold on let me 547 00:26:34,850 --> 00:26:30,860 okay well zona hold it to the camera 548 00:26:37,850 --> 00:26:34,860 more to your left to your left okay hold 549 00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:37,860 on there you go okay hold right there 550 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:40,860 beautiful thank you you're hitting the 551 00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:44,610 Seinfeld baseline well you know you look 552 00:26:49,460 --> 00:26:46,320 at the opposite way here when you're 553 00:26:51,890 --> 00:26:49,470 doing this I don't know anyway so you 554 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:51,900 know I mean I could go on and on well I 555 00:26:55,910 --> 00:26:53,850 want to hear about it I want to hear 556 00:26:59,240 --> 00:26:55,920 about a some synchronicity that just 557 00:27:01,640 --> 00:26:59,250 happened Tim absolutely I'm in my feet 558 00:27:03,890 --> 00:27:01,650 right now someone totally unrelated to 559 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:03,900 the show and wouldn't be listening right 560 00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:07,050 now posted this picture of philip k dick 561 00:27:14,420 --> 00:27:11,760 and you see do you see it yes I do 562 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:14,430 that's philip k dick and nicole Panter 563 00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,370 who was the manager of the germs so 564 00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:19,200 philip k dick was hanging out with punk 565 00:27:23,030 --> 00:27:22,080 rockers what a coincidence that is that 566 00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:23,040 we were talking about him in that 567 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:24,720 picture because I wanted to talked about 568 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:27,090 you mister Creepo was hanging out with 569 00:27:32,390 --> 00:27:29,490 the New York Dolls back in the day sorry 570 00:27:37,550 --> 00:27:32,400 miss yes Sam Timothy Beckley here he is 571 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:37,560 on Edgar winters Frankenstein record is 572 00:27:41,780 --> 00:27:39,570 that true and you know I have many 573 00:27:44,390 --> 00:27:41,790 musicians who are very envious of that 574 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:44,400 but I have to point out that I play no 575 00:27:49,820 --> 00:27:48,690 musical instrument except a triangle so 576 00:27:51,170 --> 00:27:49,830 is that what you plan on what do you do 577 00:27:53,330 --> 00:27:51,180 on Frankenstein which is the greatest 578 00:27:59,240 --> 00:27:53,340 song ever written but well well okay 579 00:28:01,670 --> 00:27:59,250 it's on there is a song on the 580 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:01,680 Frankenstein album called we all had a 581 00:28:10,430 --> 00:28:05,610 really good time and the record company 582 00:28:13,070 --> 00:28:10,440 wanted some background sound effects of 583 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:13,080 people having a good time so they put us 584 00:28:19,010 --> 00:28:16,410 in the recording studio along with a 585 00:28:21,380 --> 00:28:19,020 couple of models of alcohol 586 00:28:24,740 --> 00:28:21,390 let me see rick derringer was there a 587 00:28:27,620 --> 00:28:24,750 couple of homes fine on Bette Midler and 588 00:28:29,180 --> 00:28:27,630 I hit an ashtray for about with a set of 589 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:29,190 keys for about 15 minutes 590 00:28:33,890 --> 00:28:31,890 man if you listen to that song you can 591 00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:33,900 hear people whooping it up we all had a 592 00:28:37,730 --> 00:28:35,760 really good time it's on the 593 00:28:38,409 --> 00:28:37,740 Frankenstein album so I'm on apply them 594 00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,419 album man 595 00:28:43,749 --> 00:28:40,159 music yeah that's amazing another 596 00:28:45,070 --> 00:28:43,759 musician David Bowie was known to be you 597 00:28:47,229 --> 00:28:45,080 know he dabbled in the occult in 598 00:28:48,879 --> 00:28:47,239 witchcraft didn't David Bowie how and 599 00:28:51,639 --> 00:28:48,889 you have some sort of connection well 600 00:28:54,999 --> 00:28:51,649 yes actually David Bowie wrote a book 601 00:28:56,499 --> 00:28:55,009 about five six years ago this is the 602 00:28:59,320 --> 00:28:56,509 only one that he's actually authored 603 00:29:02,139 --> 00:28:59,330 yeah the book it's called Bowie I 604 00:29:05,739 --> 00:29:02,149 believe and there is a chapter in there 605 00:29:08,379 --> 00:29:05,749 about his involvement with witchcraft 606 00:29:09,700 --> 00:29:08,389 and the occult and he didn't like 607 00:29:11,109 --> 00:29:09,710 Crowley he thought Crowley was a 608 00:29:13,799 --> 00:29:11,119 huckster he likes someone else though I 609 00:29:17,169 --> 00:29:13,809 forget who well now well my friend was a 610 00:29:20,349 --> 00:29:17,179 my friend who was associated with him 611 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:20,359 was a young lady by the name of Wally L 612 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:23,330 Mark she was known as the White Witch of 613 00:29:30,399 --> 00:29:26,090 New York huh she she taught at our 614 00:29:33,369 --> 00:29:30,409 occult Center and she did a regular 615 00:29:35,639 --> 00:29:33,379 column for Circus magazine now circus 616 00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:35,649 Maggie was this a glossy publication 617 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:38,840 there was more pop-oriented than Rolling 618 00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:41,690 Stone or Cod a deer or anything else and 619 00:29:47,349 --> 00:29:44,809 and she she was attractive and various 620 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:47,359 student and very easy to get along with 621 00:29:57,580 --> 00:29:50,210 and all the musicians liked her in fact 622 00:30:02,499 --> 00:29:57,590 she did a spoken word album with Robert 623 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:02,509 Fripp Wow we mark Marc Bolan and I think 624 00:30:09,580 --> 00:30:05,210 somehow Bowie was involved with it but 625 00:30:11,919 --> 00:30:09,590 anyway Bowie consulted with her several 626 00:30:15,220 --> 00:30:11,929 times because he thought that the place 627 00:30:19,690 --> 00:30:15,230 where he was living in California at the 628 00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:19,700 time had evil spirits in it and and that 629 00:30:26,139 --> 00:30:22,609 the the demons were living in the bottom 630 00:30:29,470 --> 00:30:26,149 of the swimming pool and so he had 631 00:30:33,479 --> 00:30:29,480 gotten in touch with her in order to get 632 00:30:36,659 --> 00:30:33,489 some sort of spell or ritual to remove 633 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:36,669 the the evil the evil demons from this 634 00:30:41,859 --> 00:30:38,570 property because he liked the place 635 00:30:45,549 --> 00:30:41,869 otherwise he was very much into the UFOs 636 00:30:47,109 --> 00:30:45,559 and in Roswell UFO crash and we we've 637 00:30:48,989 --> 00:30:47,119 written about there's a long article 638 00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:48,999 that I did about him after his passing 639 00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:51,049 that you can find on the inner 640 00:31:01,690 --> 00:30:54,110 I think it's a David Bowie UFOs cocaine 641 00:31:05,529 --> 00:31:01,700 and the occult or what oh no with was my 642 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:05,539 podcast and stuff after passing yeah and 643 00:31:09,399 --> 00:31:07,610 I did in and I did meet him a couple of 644 00:31:12,129 --> 00:31:09,409 times I I think he was probably one of 645 00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:12,139 the most talented individuals in the and 646 00:31:17,499 --> 00:31:14,809 the entertainment business there's no 647 00:31:19,539 --> 00:31:17,509 doubt salutely it's amazing Tim Beckley 648 00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:19,549 Timothy green Begley has a new book out 649 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:22,129 everybody it's called the matrix control 650 00:31:25,749 --> 00:31:23,690 system of philip k dick and the 651 00:31:28,419 --> 00:31:25,759 paranormal synchronicities of Timothy 652 00:31:30,220 --> 00:31:28,429 green Beckley he also has it's a great 653 00:31:32,139 --> 00:31:30,230 book it's it's awesome I've read a 654 00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:32,149 couple chapters and it's awesome if 655 00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:34,369 you're into philip k dick and the more 656 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:37,369 esoteric druggie side of him not just 657 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:41,330 the hard sci-fi side of him also you 658 00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:43,450 could always go to his website 659 00:31:47,139 --> 00:31:45,289 conspiracy journal com 660 00:31:49,149 --> 00:31:47,149 he has his own radio show called a host 661 00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:49,159 he's the host of exploring the bizarre 662 00:31:54,430 --> 00:31:52,609 with Tim Schwartz who we love and what's 663 00:31:58,119 --> 00:31:54,440 your YouTube channel I always watch it 664 00:31:59,139 --> 00:31:58,129 it's this oh it's you mr. UFOs secret 665 00:32:01,629 --> 00:31:59,149 files 666 00:32:04,899 --> 00:32:01,639 and what we try to do there we have 667 00:32:11,499 --> 00:32:04,909 Peter Peter Bernard who is an animator 668 00:32:13,539 --> 00:32:11,509 in a cartoonist and he started we start 669 00:32:17,109 --> 00:32:13,549 out the show with animating a little bit 670 00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:17,119 of a little Oh scene like whatever's 671 00:32:21,340 --> 00:32:18,529 gonna happen that night he does the 672 00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:21,350 cartoon kind of version of it it's kind 673 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:24,769 of our non serious moment I like when 674 00:32:28,269 --> 00:32:26,450 you guys do the scary stories but you're 675 00:32:30,639 --> 00:32:28,279 you have the you tell the best stories 676 00:32:31,869 --> 00:32:30,649 and you've always brought us the best 677 00:32:34,239 --> 00:32:31,879 people 678 00:32:37,060 --> 00:32:34,249 Tim Schwartz Alan Goodman we love oh 679 00:32:39,609 --> 00:32:37,070 yeah he's he's on our show often and in 680 00:32:42,190 --> 00:32:39,619 Diane Testament and and--but the bishop 681 00:32:44,169 --> 00:32:42,200 out of what's his name Alan Oh Alan 682 00:32:47,349 --> 00:32:44,179 Greene feeling Greenfield that booth is 683 00:32:49,539 --> 00:32:47,359 amazing that dude did a he he he did an 684 00:32:52,869 --> 00:32:49,549 invocation of Metatron at one of our 685 00:32:57,609 --> 00:32:52,879 live shows actually yeah he did that on 686 00:33:00,889 --> 00:32:57,619 the ground zero and the next day a mini 687 00:33:03,019 --> 00:33:00,899 tornado or storm went through there and 688 00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:03,029 has a roof off of what are the off the 689 00:33:06,739 --> 00:33:04,559 building name we did a storm of an 690 00:33:08,060 --> 00:33:06,749 amazing comedy after he did the 691 00:33:11,810 --> 00:33:08,070 invocation so it's kind of the same 692 00:33:13,129 --> 00:33:11,820 thing right on stage but um Tim you're 693 00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:13,139 the best I hope you come back on cuz I 694 00:33:19,129 --> 00:33:16,049 have so much to ask you I I have to ask 695 00:33:20,899 --> 00:33:19,139 you about UFO time-traveling Nazis I 696 00:33:23,479 --> 00:33:20,909 have to ask you how the Trump 697 00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:23,489 administration plays into all this okay 698 00:33:27,769 --> 00:33:25,679 and then the next book that I'm going to 699 00:33:29,869 --> 00:33:27,779 work on I have some medical issues that 700 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:29,879 I need to take care of better going to 701 00:33:35,989 --> 00:33:33,450 I'm going to do a book hopefully called 702 00:33:39,499 --> 00:33:35,999 allthatglitters because I was very much 703 00:33:41,479 --> 00:33:39,509 a part of the glam rock scene and that 704 00:33:44,329 --> 00:33:41,489 hasn't been you know we did books on 705 00:33:46,969 --> 00:33:44,339 heavy metal and Led Zeppelin and David 706 00:33:49,940 --> 00:33:46,979 Bowie and Elvis Presley but there's none 707 00:33:51,139 --> 00:33:49,950 that really covers the the days of glam 708 00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:51,149 rock the New York Dolls 709 00:33:55,070 --> 00:33:53,279 and you know what craps edgeless I want 710 00:33:57,139 --> 00:33:55,080 to talk to you about that because George 711 00:33:58,700 --> 00:33:57,149 Noory isn't gonna ask you about that we 712 00:34:01,419 --> 00:33:58,710 are you have to come to talk to us about 713 00:34:03,739 --> 00:34:01,429 that or he wouldn't ask me about that no 714 00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:03,749 but like that's what I'm talking you got 715 00:34:08,839 --> 00:34:05,940 ties to the punk scene the the horror 716 00:34:13,399 --> 00:34:08,849 scene the glam metal thing like if I 717 00:34:15,649 --> 00:34:13,409 give the punk scene to Nick Redfern 718 00:34:17,779 --> 00:34:15,659 that oh yeah he comes on our show all 719 00:34:21,919 --> 00:34:17,789 the time we love that yeah that's his 720 00:34:25,789 --> 00:34:21,929 area of expertise I was there like I 721 00:34:29,299 --> 00:34:25,799 said during a Frankenstein the New York 722 00:34:31,609 --> 00:34:29,309 Dolls Max's Kansas City I here's a 723 00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:31,619 little yeah one more come on you know I 724 00:34:40,220 --> 00:34:38,129 once swapped Alice Cooper I gave him two 725 00:34:43,220 --> 00:34:40,230 joints and he gave me two tickets to his 726 00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:43,230 show what a deal 727 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:45,839 what a deal yeah Tim to mr. Timothy 728 00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:47,129 green Beckley thank you so much for 729 00:34:55,889 --> 00:34:48,240 being on the show we love you man come 730 00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:59,170 the new book the matrix control system 731 00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:01,040 of philip k dick and the sync ryx 732 00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:03,200 paranormal synchronicities of Timothy 733 00:35:09,730 --> 00:35:04,880 green Beckley now available on 734 00:35:12,050 --> 00:35:09,740 amazon.com mr krepo himself we'll be